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		<title>By: Pro Information Center &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sunday Snippets - a blogging meander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro Information Center &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sunday Snippets - a blogging meander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pettis on China Financial Markets continues to write some interesting stuff. His most recent post, As deficit countries contract, can surplus countries be far behind?, contained some interesting observations on the readjusting trade patterns associated with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Personal Effects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; what is your contingency plan???</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Effects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; what is your contingency plan???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nyet</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political comment on Obama and protectionist legislation: this will probably come, but not right away. As I read Obama, his instincts are centrist, and protectionist legislation would rip the scab off of an oozing wound. He won&#039;t pursue it - unless unemployment gets worse and worse. Which it will. So, yes, it will happen, as the job market in USA collapses, and it becomes clear that bring back manufacturing is a matter of life and death. 

We have not followed pro-employment policies in the USA for decades, and we are about to see the long term consequence. 

If our ideology had not been so extremely right wing, free market, in regulation, we would not have this crisis. 

If our ideology had not been so extremely right wing, free market, in jobs and labor/industrial policy, we would not have this crisis.

If only!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political comment on Obama and protectionist legislation: this will probably come, but not right away. As I read Obama, his instincts are centrist, and protectionist legislation would rip the scab off of an oozing wound. He won&#8217;t pursue it &#8211; unless unemployment gets worse and worse. Which it will. So, yes, it will happen, as the job market in USA collapses, and it becomes clear that bring back manufacturing is a matter of life and death. </p>
<p>We have not followed pro-employment policies in the USA for decades, and we are about to see the long term consequence. </p>
<p>If our ideology had not been so extremely right wing, free market, in regulation, we would not have this crisis. </p>
<p>If our ideology had not been so extremely right wing, free market, in jobs and labor/industrial policy, we would not have this crisis.</p>
<p>If only!</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Pettis,

China&#039;s export growth fell to -2.8% yoy and import growth fell to -21.8% yoy in Dec with trade surplus at usd39 bn, lower than in Nov. 

As you stated that unemployment worldwide is at record highs. 

Do you know how many jobs in China are export direct and indirect related? 

If US actually gets to 9-10% unemployment and with EU at record high as well, what would China&#039;s unemployment rate be? 25-30%?

I was speaking to someone from the Chinese labour dept, and was told that unemployment rate among new graduates in 2008 was as high as 30%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Pettis,</p>
<p>China&#8217;s export growth fell to -2.8% yoy and import growth fell to -21.8% yoy in Dec with trade surplus at usd39 bn, lower than in Nov. </p>
<p>As you stated that unemployment worldwide is at record highs. </p>
<p>Do you know how many jobs in China are export direct and indirect related? </p>
<p>If US actually gets to 9-10% unemployment and with EU at record high as well, what would China&#8217;s unemployment rate be? 25-30%?</p>
<p>I was speaking to someone from the Chinese labour dept, and was told that unemployment rate among new graduates in 2008 was as high as 30%.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Trading Spark.  It is hard to get good info for the whole economy given how vast and complex China is, and any color is appreciated. 

Tyaresun, I am also pretty pessimistic about US and Chinese policymakers getting together.  We’ll see.

CLN, yes if there are significant dollar outflows the amount that needs to be sterilized (assuming we accept that sterilization is meaningful) will certainly go down.  The problem is that we seem to have gone from explosive credit growth to contracting credit, and we need monetary expansion not contraction.  If net capital outflows exceed the trade surplus, we will be on the wrong side of monetary policy (again).  By the way the PBoC and other agencies keep good records of open market operations.  I usually rely on my friend Logan Wright, who keeps close tabs on these numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Trading Spark.  It is hard to get good info for the whole economy given how vast and complex China is, and any color is appreciated. </p>
<p>Tyaresun, I am also pretty pessimistic about US and Chinese policymakers getting together.  We’ll see.</p>
<p>CLN, yes if there are significant dollar outflows the amount that needs to be sterilized (assuming we accept that sterilization is meaningful) will certainly go down.  The problem is that we seem to have gone from explosive credit growth to contracting credit, and we need monetary expansion not contraction.  If net capital outflows exceed the trade surplus, we will be on the wrong side of monetary policy (again).  By the way the PBoC and other agencies keep good records of open market operations.  I usually rely on my friend Logan Wright, who keeps close tabs on these numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: prophets</title>
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		<dc:creator>prophets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Premier Wen Jiabao&#039;s Sunday radio address:

&quot;We will accelerate and bring forward the parts of the 600 billion yuan ($88 billion) of planned investments on 16 major projects, under our mid- and long-term development plan for science and technology, that are closely linked to the economy now,&quot; Mr. Wen said in Sunday&#039;s radio report.&quot;

Anyone have a link to which 16 projects they are??? specifics?  thx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Premier Wen Jiabao&#8217;s Sunday radio address:</p>
<p>&#8220;We will accelerate and bring forward the parts of the 600 billion yuan ($88 billion) of planned investments on 16 major projects, under our mid- and long-term development plan for science and technology, that are closely linked to the economy now,&#8221; Mr. Wen said in Sunday&#8217;s radio report.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone have a link to which 16 projects they are??? specifics?  thx.</p>
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		<title>By: CLN</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting entry and congratulations for the article published in FT (the FEER link didn&#039;t work). Prof Pettis, I have two questions:
1)Wouldn&#039;t &quot;abnormal&quot; dollar outflows help lower the yuan, reducing the amount of dollars that have sterilized?

2)Is there any source that has the data or has attempted to approximate the amount of dollars sterilized (by buying treasuries) and the corresponding amount of yuan sterilization in yuan issued bonds?... (This assuming the dollar sterilization process takes place as described in the 2008 REPORT TO CONGRESS of the U.S.-CHINA ECONOMIC AND SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION)
http://www.marketobservation.com/blogs/media/blogs/Statistics/CurrencySterilizationChina.jpg   

(With respect to the &quot;abnormal&quot; dollar outflows I&#039;ve red a similar story from Xinghua:)
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting entry and congratulations for the article published in FT (the FEER link didn&#8217;t work). Prof Pettis, I have two questions:<br />
1)Wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;abnormal&#8221; dollar outflows help lower the yuan, reducing the amount of dollars that have sterilized?</p>
<p>2)Is there any source that has the data or has attempted to approximate the amount of dollars sterilized (by buying treasuries) and the corresponding amount of yuan sterilization in yuan issued bonds?&#8230; (This assuming the dollar sterilization process takes place as described in the 2008 REPORT TO CONGRESS of the U.S.-CHINA ECONOMIC AND SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION)<br />
<a href="http://www.marketobservation.com/blogs/media/blogs/Statistics/CurrencySterilizationChina.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketobservation.com/blogs/media/blogs/Statistics/CurrencySterilizationChina.jpg</a>   </p>
<p>(With respect to the &#8220;abnormal&#8221; dollar outflows I&#8217;ve red a similar story from Xinghua:)<br />
<a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: tyaresun</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyaresun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Far Eastern Economic Review link does not work for me.  Is it possible to provide a better link?

What are the chances that the Chinese will follow the Pettis prescription?  I would put the chances at less than 50% in a timely manner.  Also, I would not be surprised if protectionist legislation as well as WTO complaints are filed by the Obama admin. in the first 100 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Far Eastern Economic Review link does not work for me.  Is it possible to provide a better link?</p>
<p>What are the chances that the Chinese will follow the Pettis prescription?  I would put the chances at less than 50% in a timely manner.  Also, I would not be surprised if protectionist legislation as well as WTO complaints are filed by the Obama admin. in the first 100 days.</p>
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		<title>By: mxq</title>
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		<dc:creator>mxq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the link to the &quot;china warns of risks from &quot;abnormal&quot; cross-boarder outflows&quot; article

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link to the &#8220;china warns of risks from &#8220;abnormal&#8221; cross-boarder outflows&#8221; article</p>
<p><a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/06/content_10614803.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: TradingSpark</title>
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		<dc:creator>TradingSpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monday morning approaches - on which is the weekly strat meeting.  

While I read tons of reports (many, sadly for me, are crap), one of the key resources I check-out is this blog and its &#039;thoughts&#039; / contributor comments. Why? The answer is - feel you are ahead of the curve. Although, have to say you econs are a little lofty at times - still - hats off to you chappies. On the other hand, and don&#039;t take it the wrong way ... but we&#039;re actually on the  Kangshung Face - you just see more of the mountain than us from your balconies (at times). Seriously though, excellent blog.

To us, as traders, it is becoming more and more obvious that there is an unprecedented calamity building just over the rise. The question (for us) is: how high we climb before we strap on our skis? (or run out of oxygen) 

We are, no doubt, looking at similar data - but also speaking to those that run organisations down in the valleys and crevasses. They are NOT having a good time. Owner/managers of small, medium and large export manufacturing entities in China are telling us that the &#039;usual&#039; orders have not transpired. Some are experiencing debtor difficulties as a result of what has happened with exchange rates e.g. unhedged orders by customers with retail margins way thinner than exchange rate movements (opps, where&#039;s that treasurer gone...). Others are manufacturers closing their operations for far more than normal extended periods over CNY, and agreeing with workers - we&#039;ll call you back when needed. (Apparently the train stations have been filled with people going home for CNY - already! And, we&#039;ve been told many factory workers simply cannot even afford to make it home this year, having been let go early and with less pay.) These owner/managers are not unaware - they&#039;re readying themselves for an unprecedented trial, renegotiating financial arrangements, rapidly streamlining and cost cutting, liquidating assets and building up their cash reserves. 

The corporate profits are definitely shrinking and the probability of civil unrest is rising fast. The view from the valley ... we&#039;ll be strapping on our skis around CNY. 

Tally-ho!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday morning approaches &#8211; on which is the weekly strat meeting.  </p>
<p>While I read tons of reports (many, sadly for me, are crap), one of the key resources I check-out is this blog and its &#8216;thoughts&#8217; / contributor comments. Why? The answer is &#8211; feel you are ahead of the curve. Although, have to say you econs are a little lofty at times &#8211; still &#8211; hats off to you chappies. On the other hand, and don&#8217;t take it the wrong way &#8230; but we&#8217;re actually on the  Kangshung Face &#8211; you just see more of the mountain than us from your balconies (at times). Seriously though, excellent blog.</p>
<p>To us, as traders, it is becoming more and more obvious that there is an unprecedented calamity building just over the rise. The question (for us) is: how high we climb before we strap on our skis? (or run out of oxygen) </p>
<p>We are, no doubt, looking at similar data &#8211; but also speaking to those that run organisations down in the valleys and crevasses. They are NOT having a good time. Owner/managers of small, medium and large export manufacturing entities in China are telling us that the &#8216;usual&#8217; orders have not transpired. Some are experiencing debtor difficulties as a result of what has happened with exchange rates e.g. unhedged orders by customers with retail margins way thinner than exchange rate movements (opps, where&#8217;s that treasurer gone&#8230;). Others are manufacturers closing their operations for far more than normal extended periods over CNY, and agreeing with workers &#8211; we&#8217;ll call you back when needed. (Apparently the train stations have been filled with people going home for CNY &#8211; already! And, we&#8217;ve been told many factory workers simply cannot even afford to make it home this year, having been let go early and with less pay.) These owner/managers are not unaware &#8211; they&#8217;re readying themselves for an unprecedented trial, renegotiating financial arrangements, rapidly streamlining and cost cutting, liquidating assets and building up their cash reserves. </p>
<p>The corporate profits are definitely shrinking and the probability of civil unrest is rising fast. The view from the valley &#8230; we&#8217;ll be strapping on our skis around CNY. </p>
<p>Tally-ho!</p>
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