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		<title>By: Yet another discussion on the Asian savings glut hypothesis, and why it matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yet another discussion on the Asian savings glut hypothesis, and why it matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact as I have argued many times (for example here, and here), I suspect that most of the Chinese fiscal stimulus is exacerbating the imbalances – [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Liliane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liliane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today I read a special Article at Asia Economic Institute about Beijing’s financial district website (www.asiaecon.org/special article) titled: “Beijing To Build New Financial District” that talked about Chinese government plans to expand Financial District in Beijing. China Development Bank Corp, Industrial &amp; commercial Bank of China Ltd., Agricultural Bank and China Construction Bank Co. will provide $ 8.78 billion of loans. After that construction, Financial district in Beijing will be a new Asian Wallstreet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I read a special Article at Asia Economic Institute about Beijing’s financial district website (www.asiaecon.org/special article) titled: “Beijing To Build New Financial District” that talked about Chinese government plans to expand Financial District in Beijing. China Development Bank Corp, Industrial &amp; commercial Bank of China Ltd., Agricultural Bank and China Construction Bank Co. will provide $ 8.78 billion of loans. After that construction, Financial district in Beijing will be a new Asian Wallstreet.</p>
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		<title>By: Houhui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Houhui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Ross

Another side to this is not just Non-performing Loans, but also the drain on profits that debt obligations will cause in the coming years. If the loans have been used for productive profit generating investment, then similarly to your point about NPLs, this is by definition a price worth paying. I think some (including the CBRC and increasingly the PBOC) are worried that this is not the case. 

Again I feel that investors should be cautious about relying on sell-side analysts - who are often tactical too. 

As an aside, i would like to link to an article by Huang Yasheng. India V China debate aside, he makes some interesting points about &quot;quality of growth issues&quot; particularly Personal income growth to GDP growth ratios, and how this, along with other less economic factors (health, literacy) may have been showing reversals in China at points during the reform period.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4345&amp;page=1

Here is the question / answer session associated with the above story. 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4362</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Ross</p>
<p>Another side to this is not just Non-performing Loans, but also the drain on profits that debt obligations will cause in the coming years. If the loans have been used for productive profit generating investment, then similarly to your point about NPLs, this is by definition a price worth paying. I think some (including the CBRC and increasingly the PBOC) are worried that this is not the case. </p>
<p>Again I feel that investors should be cautious about relying on sell-side analysts &#8211; who are often tactical too. </p>
<p>As an aside, i would like to link to an article by Huang Yasheng. India V China debate aside, he makes some interesting points about &#8220;quality of growth issues&#8221; particularly Personal income growth to GDP growth ratios, and how this, along with other less economic factors (health, literacy) may have been showing reversals in China at points during the reform period.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4345&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4345&amp;page=1</a></p>
<p>Here is the question / answer session associated with the above story. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4362" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4362</a></p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR,

I actually read a lot of mainstream more importantly local newspapers and it&#039;s definitely not wonderland. Here in Chongqing it&#039;s all about the property boom but there&#039;s literally daily stories filled with people who can&#039;t afford or are being evicted along with throngs of &#039;bongbong&#039; army out of work. It&#039;s actually pretty depressing especially since Chongqing has largely avoided the crisis until now.</description>
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<p>I actually read a lot of mainstream more importantly local newspapers and it&#8217;s definitely not wonderland. Here in Chongqing it&#8217;s all about the property boom but there&#8217;s literally daily stories filled with people who can&#8217;t afford or are being evicted along with throngs of &#8216;bongbong&#8217; army out of work. It&#8217;s actually pretty depressing especially since Chongqing has largely avoided the crisis until now.</p>
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		<title>By: chan-lee james</title>
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		<dc:creator>chan-lee james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings to the pessimists who have contributed such interesting comments and warnings that the explosion in Chinese bank lending and the fiscal stimulus will peter out and perhaps end in tears.

While these arguments have merit, you might be right for the wrong reasons.  The problem is that we know very little about &quot;asset prices&quot; and bubbles.  Hence, while you make logical arguments to &quot;proof&quot; that certain asset prices (the stockmarket, housing prices, commodities) are out of kilter -- these arguments really don&#039;t matter.
Paraphrasing Keyne&#039;s (badly) -- the market is a beauty contest.  You don&#039;t vote for the girl YOU think is the most beautiful --but for the one you think the &quot;MARKET&quot; thinks is the winner.
Hence, current macro policy is a huge confidence trick akin to a Ponzi scheme -- to keep asset prices afloat to avoid the curse of debt deflation.  This means that current massive fiscal and monetary stimulus is a huge government &quot;put&quot; for asset prices.  BUT to avoid actually &quot;paying&quot; -- a whole set of safeguards are de rigeur, hence the lofty speeches about &quot;exit strategies&quot;, medium-term fiscal triggers, better regulation, raising capital requirements and fears about inflation.  
Given that &quot;expectations&quot; and animal spirits are driven by fear and greed -- the &quot;trick&quot; is to calm fear while stoking greed in periods of huge financial stress, by implicit &quot;puts&quot; in asset markets.  All of the above &quot;hand wringing&quot; and fears about future NPLs and money flowing into speculative asset prices may be misplaced as they were actually designed to avoid instantaneous &quot;Ricardian equivalence&quot;. 
In sum, I give an A to the the FED, FDIC and Treasury &quot;puts&quot; and an A+ to the Chinese for their expert &quot;manipulation&quot; of stockmarket and housing prices since early March.  This has perhaps bought them time for the fundamentals to kick in.  But, if they don&#039;t -- then it is back to the drawing boards or rather the printing press for another round of &quot;puts&quot;, regards James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings to the pessimists who have contributed such interesting comments and warnings that the explosion in Chinese bank lending and the fiscal stimulus will peter out and perhaps end in tears.</p>
<p>While these arguments have merit, you might be right for the wrong reasons.  The problem is that we know very little about &#8220;asset prices&#8221; and bubbles.  Hence, while you make logical arguments to &#8220;proof&#8221; that certain asset prices (the stockmarket, housing prices, commodities) are out of kilter &#8212; these arguments really don&#8217;t matter.<br />
Paraphrasing Keyne&#8217;s (badly) &#8212; the market is a beauty contest.  You don&#8217;t vote for the girl YOU think is the most beautiful &#8211;but for the one you think the &#8220;MARKET&#8221; thinks is the winner.<br />
Hence, current macro policy is a huge confidence trick akin to a Ponzi scheme &#8212; to keep asset prices afloat to avoid the curse of debt deflation.  This means that current massive fiscal and monetary stimulus is a huge government &#8220;put&#8221; for asset prices.  BUT to avoid actually &#8220;paying&#8221; &#8212; a whole set of safeguards are de rigeur, hence the lofty speeches about &#8220;exit strategies&#8221;, medium-term fiscal triggers, better regulation, raising capital requirements and fears about inflation.<br />
Given that &#8220;expectations&#8221; and animal spirits are driven by fear and greed &#8212; the &#8220;trick&#8221; is to calm fear while stoking greed in periods of huge financial stress, by implicit &#8220;puts&#8221; in asset markets.  All of the above &#8220;hand wringing&#8221; and fears about future NPLs and money flowing into speculative asset prices may be misplaced as they were actually designed to avoid instantaneous &#8220;Ricardian equivalence&#8221;.<br />
In sum, I give an A to the the FED, FDIC and Treasury &#8220;puts&#8221; and an A+ to the Chinese for their expert &#8220;manipulation&#8221; of stockmarket and housing prices since early March.  This has perhaps bought them time for the fundamentals to kick in.  But, if they don&#8217;t &#8212; then it is back to the drawing boards or rather the printing press for another round of &#8220;puts&#8221;, regards James</p>
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		<title>By: John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least we now have clear counter-positions of analysis and conclusions that can be factually tested. 
Michael Pettis and Martin Wolf’s analysis of China’s ‘overinvesting/oversaving’ leads to the view that the stimulus package will fail – Stephen Roach arrives at the same conclusion for slightly different reasons.  
In addition to positive evaluations of the stimulus package by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dd9b5a1e-2f9f-11de-a8f6-00144feabdc0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jim O&#039;Neill&lt;/a&gt;  and  &lt;a href=&quot;http://dq6bn.blogspot.com/2009/07/time-to-save-world-economy-through.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Danny Quah&lt;/a&gt; I have referred to in other comments,  readers may be interested in one by the US economist Mark Weisbrot which appeared on the Guardian’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jul/23/china-us-trade-economic-stimulus?showallcomments=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comment is Free&lt;/a&gt;. 
It is hardly surprising that commentators in China have similarly divergent opinions. While Michael Pettis quite justifiably points to views in China that are raising issues (some serious some only tactical) about the stimulus package there are evidently also a lot of people who support it – number one, of course, being the  government which is implementing it as well as those cited in this post.
The individual examples produced in this post do not prove anything by themselves – I don’t think Michael Pettis would claim they did but it should be pointed out. As an average necessarily means that there are points below the average as well as points above it, it will always be possible to find examples of bad/very much below average investment decisions – which will be statistically balanced by above average (i.e. highly efficient) investment decisions. All the major Total Factor Productivity studies find that the average level of efficiency of China’s investment ranges from ‘respectable’ (&lt;a href=&quot;http://ideas.repec.org/a/ucp/jpolec/v111y2003i6p1220-1261.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alwyn Young&lt;/a&gt;) to high – the studies by &lt;a href=&quot;http://ideas.repec.org/a/fip/fedfpr/y2005x26.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jorgenson and Vu&lt;/a&gt;. This, evidently, does not prevent there being, within these averages, many examples of terrible investment decisions (and others that were excellent and far above average).
The same applies principle applies to the argument about Non-Performing Loans.  If instructions are given to increase lending in conditions of an international economic downturn and financial crisis (as is the situation in China) it is evident that the proportion of bad loans is likely to (or more bluntly will certainly) go up. Therefore to increase lending while simultaneously increasing the provision for non-performing loans is a highly rational policy. 
The issue is a quantitative one. If the macro-economic benefits of the high lending in terms of economic growth outweigh the negative impact of the non-performing loans then it is a good policy despite the increase in the number of bad loans – and incidentally that growth will more than finance the write off of the non-performing loans incurred. In short the criteria that must be targeted is the overall macro-economic situation and not an individual criteria such as minimising the number of bad loans. Therefore, believing that the stimulus package will basically work is not at all contradictory with recognising the number of bad loans is likely to go up – my guess would be that most people who support the stimulus package assume , as I do, that the number of non-performing loans will increase and therefore increased provision for them is highly sensible.
If, of course, the increase in the overall number of bad loans outweighs the macro-economic benefit then the stimulus package is a bad policy – that must be one argument by those who believe the package will fail. 
What is good is that the divergent analyses are going to be tested by reality over the next few months to couple of years – which is as it should be. We won’t have to wait very long to find out which analysis is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least we now have clear counter-positions of analysis and conclusions that can be factually tested.<br />
Michael Pettis and Martin Wolf’s analysis of China’s ‘overinvesting/oversaving’ leads to the view that the stimulus package will fail – Stephen Roach arrives at the same conclusion for slightly different reasons.<br />
In addition to positive evaluations of the stimulus package by <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dd9b5a1e-2f9f-11de-a8f6-00144feabdc0.html" rel="nofollow">Jim O&#8217;Neill</a>  and  <a href="http://dq6bn.blogspot.com/2009/07/time-to-save-world-economy-through.html" rel="nofollow">Danny Quah</a> I have referred to in other comments,  readers may be interested in one by the US economist Mark Weisbrot which appeared on the Guardian’s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jul/23/china-us-trade-economic-stimulus?showallcomments=true" rel="nofollow">Comment is Free</a>.<br />
It is hardly surprising that commentators in China have similarly divergent opinions. While Michael Pettis quite justifiably points to views in China that are raising issues (some serious some only tactical) about the stimulus package there are evidently also a lot of people who support it – number one, of course, being the  government which is implementing it as well as those cited in this post.<br />
The individual examples produced in this post do not prove anything by themselves – I don’t think Michael Pettis would claim they did but it should be pointed out. As an average necessarily means that there are points below the average as well as points above it, it will always be possible to find examples of bad/very much below average investment decisions – which will be statistically balanced by above average (i.e. highly efficient) investment decisions. All the major Total Factor Productivity studies find that the average level of efficiency of China’s investment ranges from ‘respectable’ (<a href="http://ideas.repec.org/a/ucp/jpolec/v111y2003i6p1220-1261.html" rel="nofollow">Alwyn Young</a>) to high – the studies by <a href="http://ideas.repec.org/a/fip/fedfpr/y2005x26.html" rel="nofollow">Jorgenson and Vu</a>. This, evidently, does not prevent there being, within these averages, many examples of terrible investment decisions (and others that were excellent and far above average).<br />
The same applies principle applies to the argument about Non-Performing Loans.  If instructions are given to increase lending in conditions of an international economic downturn and financial crisis (as is the situation in China) it is evident that the proportion of bad loans is likely to (or more bluntly will certainly) go up. Therefore to increase lending while simultaneously increasing the provision for non-performing loans is a highly rational policy.<br />
The issue is a quantitative one. If the macro-economic benefits of the high lending in terms of economic growth outweigh the negative impact of the non-performing loans then it is a good policy despite the increase in the number of bad loans – and incidentally that growth will more than finance the write off of the non-performing loans incurred. In short the criteria that must be targeted is the overall macro-economic situation and not an individual criteria such as minimising the number of bad loans. Therefore, believing that the stimulus package will basically work is not at all contradictory with recognising the number of bad loans is likely to go up – my guess would be that most people who support the stimulus package assume , as I do, that the number of non-performing loans will increase and therefore increased provision for them is highly sensible.<br />
If, of course, the increase in the overall number of bad loans outweighs the macro-economic benefit then the stimulus package is a bad policy – that must be one argument by those who believe the package will fail.<br />
What is good is that the divergent analyses are going to be tested by reality over the next few months to couple of years – which is as it should be. We won’t have to wait very long to find out which analysis is right.</p>
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		<title>By: bcg81</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a little about total 1H09 tax receipts in this piece from Reuters y&#039;day (by Simon Rabinovitch):

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ERODING FINANCES 

Government revenues declined 2.4 percent in the first half compared to a year earlier, well shy of the official goal of an 8 percent rise. Expenditures were ahead of target and set to surge in the second half on the back of 
infrastructure projects. 

Tax intakes are, of course, closely tied to economic activity, so China&#039;s upturn should deliver cash to government coffers. But improvement in June came mainly from land sales, a one-off revenue source that masks the difficult road ahead. 

For related graphic, double-click on:  
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/079/CN_IMPRVNT0709.jpg 

&quot;Even when we are already factoring in relatively optimistic revenue growth due to the economic recovery, the deficit is quite sticky at around 5 percent per year for the next three years,&quot; said Isaac Meng, economist at BNP Paribas in Beijing.

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This article also has a good discussion of the &quot;hidden debt&quot; often discussed here.  It included the following which I found especially interesting - would be grateful for further color from those familiar with this type of financial engineering.

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&quot;DEBT BOMB&quot; 

Most troublesome of all is the potential for a &quot;debt bomb&quot;, in the words of China&#039;s Economic Observer newspaper, at lower levels of government as officials engage in financial engineering that is both opaque and highly leveraged. 

Rules prevent Chinese banks from lending to governments the equity capital which they need to obtain further loans for investment. But local officials and banks are now exploiting a vast loophole thanks to intermediaries known as 
trust companies. 

The process is simple enough. Trusts create specially designed &quot;wealth products&quot;, which banks sell to their clients. Banks then give the funds to the trusts and they, in turn, funnel them to governments as equity capital. 

Local authorities, in short, are piling debt on top of debt. The Chinese banking regulator has started to warn trusts and banks of the growing risks, state media recently reported. 

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Sounds a bit like the inclusion of AAA-rated securitized products in US/European bank capital, such that as banks made new loans, they simultaneously created the &#039;capital&#039; required to support them.  That&#039;s worked out well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a little about total 1H09 tax receipts in this piece from Reuters y&#8217;day (by Simon Rabinovitch):</p>
<p>- QUOTE -</p>
<p>ERODING FINANCES </p>
<p>Government revenues declined 2.4 percent in the first half compared to a year earlier, well shy of the official goal of an 8 percent rise. Expenditures were ahead of target and set to surge in the second half on the back of<br />
infrastructure projects. </p>
<p>Tax intakes are, of course, closely tied to economic activity, so China&#8217;s upturn should deliver cash to government coffers. But improvement in June came mainly from land sales, a one-off revenue source that masks the difficult road ahead. </p>
<p>For related graphic, double-click on:<br />
<a href="http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/079/CN_IMPRVNT0709.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/079/CN_IMPRVNT0709.jpg</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;Even when we are already factoring in relatively optimistic revenue growth due to the economic recovery, the deficit is quite sticky at around 5 percent per year for the next three years,&#8221; said Isaac Meng, economist at BNP Paribas in Beijing.</p>
<p>- END QUOTE -</p>
<p>This article also has a good discussion of the &#8220;hidden debt&#8221; often discussed here.  It included the following which I found especially interesting &#8211; would be grateful for further color from those familiar with this type of financial engineering.</p>
<p>- QUOTE -</p>
<p>&#8220;DEBT BOMB&#8221; </p>
<p>Most troublesome of all is the potential for a &#8220;debt bomb&#8221;, in the words of China&#8217;s Economic Observer newspaper, at lower levels of government as officials engage in financial engineering that is both opaque and highly leveraged. </p>
<p>Rules prevent Chinese banks from lending to governments the equity capital which they need to obtain further loans for investment. But local officials and banks are now exploiting a vast loophole thanks to intermediaries known as<br />
trust companies. </p>
<p>The process is simple enough. Trusts create specially designed &#8220;wealth products&#8221;, which banks sell to their clients. Banks then give the funds to the trusts and they, in turn, funnel them to governments as equity capital. </p>
<p>Local authorities, in short, are piling debt on top of debt. The Chinese banking regulator has started to warn trusts and banks of the growing risks, state media recently reported. </p>
<p>- END QUOTE -</p>
<p>Sounds a bit like the inclusion of AAA-rated securitized products in US/European bank capital, such that as banks made new loans, they simultaneously created the &#8216;capital&#8217; required to support them.  That&#8217;s worked out well.</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSG, Pettis makes the point that he has culled these few &quot;depressing&quot; reports mainly from the very non-mainstream Caijing, and that these realities are packed in amidst very different stories.  I agree with XuX that anyone who reads only Chinese newspapers would think that the crisis was largely limited to the West and had missed China altogether (thanks to the hard work of the leadership, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSG, Pettis makes the point that he has culled these few &#8220;depressing&#8221; reports mainly from the very non-mainstream Caijing, and that these realities are packed in amidst very different stories.  I agree with XuX that anyone who reads only Chinese newspapers would think that the crisis was largely limited to the West and had missed China altogether (thanks to the hard work of the leadership, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I thinking watching forign banks for a reality check is a very smart move.  It is certainly strange that foreign banks, who are expanding loans at a much more prudent rate, are reporting higher NPLs during these tough economic times, while Chinese banks, who are lending like there is no tomorrow, are reporting lower NPLs.  This just doesn&#039;t seem reasonable to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I thinking watching forign banks for a reality check is a very smart move.  It is certainly strange that foreign banks, who are expanding loans at a much more prudent rate, are reporting higher NPLs during these tough economic times, while Chinese banks, who are lending like there is no tomorrow, are reporting lower NPLs.  This just doesn&#8217;t seem reasonable to me.</p>
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		<title>By: CNM Zhige</title>
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		<dc:creator>CNM Zhige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting question on taxes. For the month of June, the MOF reported that total revennues were up by 19.6%, with central taxes up by 15.9% and local taxes up by a whopping 23.5% y/y. This last figure is pretty unbelievable. 

All in all for H1, total revenues were down by 2.4%, with VAT down 3%, enterprise income tax down 13.8%, personal income tax up by 0.7%,customs duties down by 30%, and revenues from the stamp tax down by a whopping 74.5%. 

This would appear to point towards a rebound in certain areas of the economy, but not so much in the external sector. The -2.4% overall y/y decline for H1 does not seem to be too far from what one might expect given the net impact of cyclical tax collections, that is compared to H1 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting question on taxes. For the month of June, the MOF reported that total revennues were up by 19.6%, with central taxes up by 15.9% and local taxes up by a whopping 23.5% y/y. This last figure is pretty unbelievable. </p>
<p>All in all for H1, total revenues were down by 2.4%, with VAT down 3%, enterprise income tax down 13.8%, personal income tax up by 0.7%,customs duties down by 30%, and revenues from the stamp tax down by a whopping 74.5%. </p>
<p>This would appear to point towards a rebound in certain areas of the economy, but not so much in the external sector. The -2.4% overall y/y decline for H1 does not seem to be too far from what one might expect given the net impact of cyclical tax collections, that is compared to H1 2008.</p>
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