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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by cooldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Hua Qiao,
so your argument basically says there lacked market-economy mechanism in China, for which i agree to an extend. But the Chinese economic structure is always gona be different from the current capitalist world. There are fine lines between, traditional communism, traditional capitalism, modern capitalism, and Chinese-style communism.
All the problems you mentioned, are true for market-oriented economy. However, your assumption of modern capitalism model of China may not be the case that communist leaders are directing China.
The requirements for capital allocation and industrialization are always required for any economy, however, the people who make decisions on those things may differ in a capitalist-economy to a command-economy.
I believe the structure problem in China is the key risk for its sustainability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Hua Qiao,<br />
so your argument basically says there lacked market-economy mechanism in China, for which i agree to an extend. But the Chinese economic structure is always gona be different from the current capitalist world. There are fine lines between, traditional communism, traditional capitalism, modern capitalism, and Chinese-style communism.<br />
All the problems you mentioned, are true for market-oriented economy. However, your assumption of modern capitalism model of China may not be the case that communist leaders are directing China.<br />
The requirements for capital allocation and industrialization are always required for any economy, however, the people who make decisions on those things may differ in a capitalist-economy to a command-economy.<br />
I believe the structure problem in China is the key risk for its sustainability.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Never short a country with $2 trillion in reserves? by What Are the Odds That China Will Follow 1920&#8217;s US and 1980&#8217;s Japan? &#171; Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Are the Odds That China Will Follow 1920&#8217;s US and 1980&#8217;s Japan? &#171; Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Michael Pettis (a professor at Peking University&#8217;s Guanghua School of Management, &#160;&#8220;Never short a country with $2 trillion in reserves?&#8221;) are telling, particularly that huge foreign exchange reserves are not a sure shot solution for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Never short a country with $2 trillion in reserves? by What Are the Odds That China Will Follow 1920&#8217;s US and 1980&#8217;s Japan? &#124; Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Are the Odds That China Will Follow 1920&#8217;s US and 1980&#8217;s Japan? &#124; Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Michael Pettis (a professor at Peking University&#8217;s Guanghua School of Management, &#160;&#8220;Never short a country with $2 trillion in reserves?&#8221;) are telling, particularly that huge foreign exchange reserves are not a sure shot solution for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by Hua Qiao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hua Qiao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you have the leaping productivity that China has caused by the mass migration, then investment need not necessarily be efficient.  &quot;Directional investment&quot; will be adequate until such time as China runs out of cheap labor resources (and pliant citizens who shrug at the country&#039;s income inequities)and can no longer hide the stupid investment decisions some officials are making.  Thus, Judy, to your point,&quot;Not that the consequences are negligible.&quot;

While China has a trade surplus, you might also say it has a demand deficit.  Historically, that void was filled by foreign demand.  In 2009, it was filled with government induced investment.  One thing that does not get much air time is China&#039;s lack of a consumer oriented supply chain system.

The engine of labor growth in China in the last decade was export oriented SMEs.  These privately owned firms were, by and large, contract manufacturers.  If China were now to aim this productive capacity inward, it will have to substantially retool the system.

Think what it takes to develop, produce, market, and deliver a consumer product.  I would submit that China is not good at this...yet.  Name a Chinese consumer brand that has world recognition?  Lenovo?  That&#039;s legacy IBM.  Haier? maybe but if that&#039;s the best name,then there is a lot of work to do.

My point is not to say China cannot turn its consumer manufacturing strength into an integrated domestic &quot;closed end system&quot;, it is more that this change will take time.  

Such a system requires good signaling, accurate and timely information about market demands.  Close coordination between manufacturer, wholesaler, distributer, logistics company and retailer.  Timely and accurate information is not one of China&#039;s strong suits.

In sum, it is pretty easy to manufacture a widget to the specification supplied under a contract and get that product to port.  It&#039;s another thing to understand the consumer&#039;s need, develop product concepts, price it appropriately, advertise it, manufacture it, distribute it and retail it.  That&#039;s a much more sophisticated system.

China can do it.  But it will take time and it will take support from the Party, consistent and transparent commercial regulations that promote such a supply chain, a system of open information exchange, price signaling, and, lastly, a much better system of allocating investment capital (banking and capital markets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you have the leaping productivity that China has caused by the mass migration, then investment need not necessarily be efficient.  &#8220;Directional investment&#8221; will be adequate until such time as China runs out of cheap labor resources (and pliant citizens who shrug at the country&#8217;s income inequities)and can no longer hide the stupid investment decisions some officials are making.  Thus, Judy, to your point,&#8221;Not that the consequences are negligible.&#8221;</p>
<p>While China has a trade surplus, you might also say it has a demand deficit.  Historically, that void was filled by foreign demand.  In 2009, it was filled with government induced investment.  One thing that does not get much air time is China&#8217;s lack of a consumer oriented supply chain system.</p>
<p>The engine of labor growth in China in the last decade was export oriented SMEs.  These privately owned firms were, by and large, contract manufacturers.  If China were now to aim this productive capacity inward, it will have to substantially retool the system.</p>
<p>Think what it takes to develop, produce, market, and deliver a consumer product.  I would submit that China is not good at this&#8230;yet.  Name a Chinese consumer brand that has world recognition?  Lenovo?  That&#8217;s legacy IBM.  Haier? maybe but if that&#8217;s the best name,then there is a lot of work to do.</p>
<p>My point is not to say China cannot turn its consumer manufacturing strength into an integrated domestic &#8220;closed end system&#8221;, it is more that this change will take time.  </p>
<p>Such a system requires good signaling, accurate and timely information about market demands.  Close coordination between manufacturer, wholesaler, distributer, logistics company and retailer.  Timely and accurate information is not one of China&#8217;s strong suits.</p>
<p>In sum, it is pretty easy to manufacture a widget to the specification supplied under a contract and get that product to port.  It&#8217;s another thing to understand the consumer&#8217;s need, develop product concepts, price it appropriately, advertise it, manufacture it, distribute it and retail it.  That&#8217;s a much more sophisticated system.</p>
<p>China can do it.  But it will take time and it will take support from the Party, consistent and transparent commercial regulations that promote such a supply chain, a system of open information exchange, price signaling, and, lastly, a much better system of allocating investment capital (banking and capital markets).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by Michael Pettis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pettis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am back in Beijing but I continue having real trouble logging on to my proxy, so I have not been able to respond to comments.  Sorry, but I am hoping that in the next few days the internet cops begin to relax again and this problem will resolve itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am back in Beijing but I continue having real trouble logging on to my proxy, so I have not been able to respond to comments.  Sorry, but I am hoping that in the next few days the internet cops begin to relax again and this problem will resolve itself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by cooldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topic - US public debt problem

Stripping off all foreign debt (which can be a problem for US, but not yet)
The real US public debt problem is US structure problem.

any thoughts guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topic &#8211; US public debt problem</p>
<p>Stripping off all foreign debt (which can be a problem for US, but not yet)<br />
The real US public debt problem is US structure problem.</p>
<p>any thoughts guys?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by cooldin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooldin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some thoughts up for discussion:

Prefix
Capital Allocation is critically important for any nation in the world. The people who decides where to invest the surplus-labour stored in its capital, also decides the future of the economy.

Content
I probably have not read enough into the troubles Japan had after the Plaza Accord and the 90s asset bubble. But at the very fundamental level, I believe the fail of Japan vs the success of US (3rd Industry Revolution)in the last decade of 20th Century, is the result of grand-scale capital mis-allocation.
All asset bubbles in the world is a form of capital mis-allocation, i.e. while the public lacked alternatives investments (same situation in HK in 1990s) and decided to invest its money(store for surplus-labour) in hard asset (like property etc). The value potentially to be created from the surplus-labour stalled. People start to gamble on hard asset and consume its surplus-labour stored in money. As a result, the nation&#039;s overall value deteriorate, marginal return (in value) diminishes.

The current debt-cage monetary system in the world (per &#039;Money as Debt&#039;), causes structure problems for every nation of the world.

Alternative scenario:
if Japan have successfully completed its research in robotic science(or something else), and capitalised/industrialised its achievement, Probably Japan would have led the world into the 4th industry revolution.

thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some thoughts up for discussion:</p>
<p>Prefix<br />
Capital Allocation is critically important for any nation in the world. The people who decides where to invest the surplus-labour stored in its capital, also decides the future of the economy.</p>
<p>Content<br />
I probably have not read enough into the troubles Japan had after the Plaza Accord and the 90s asset bubble. But at the very fundamental level, I believe the fail of Japan vs the success of US (3rd Industry Revolution)in the last decade of 20th Century, is the result of grand-scale capital mis-allocation.<br />
All asset bubbles in the world is a form of capital mis-allocation, i.e. while the public lacked alternatives investments (same situation in HK in 1990s) and decided to invest its money(store for surplus-labour) in hard asset (like property etc). The value potentially to be created from the surplus-labour stalled. People start to gamble on hard asset and consume its surplus-labour stored in money. As a result, the nation&#8217;s overall value deteriorate, marginal return (in value) diminishes.</p>
<p>The current debt-cage monetary system in the world (per &#8216;Money as Debt&#8217;), causes structure problems for every nation of the world.</p>
<p>Alternative scenario:<br />
if Japan have successfully completed its research in robotic science(or something else), and capitalised/industrialised its achievement, Probably Japan would have led the world into the 4th industry revolution.</p>
<p>thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you reviewed Australia&#039;s dodge of the global financial crisis?  It relates well to your point of pumping income into households and the positive affects it was able to have here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you reviewed Australia&#8217;s dodge of the global financial crisis?  It relates well to your point of pumping income into households and the positive affects it was able to have here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by houhui1979</title>
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		<dc:creator>houhui1979</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Pettis, i was wondering if you have any comments on this CAIXIN article

http://english.caing.com/2010-03-09/100124222.html

which seems to suggest that they may indeed be planning to help HUIJIN maintain their control ratios whilst the banks recapitalize, using the FOREX reserves. I am having trouble picturing how this all could work out for the various players, namely PBOC, SAFE and CIC/HUIJIN as well as the banks&#039; capital classifictions...

Any guidance would be much appreciated, although i realise that this article doesn&#039;t give us enough information about the &quot;how&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Pettis, i was wondering if you have any comments on this CAIXIN article</p>
<p><a href="http://english.caing.com/2010-03-09/100124222.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.caing.com/2010-03-09/100124222.html</a></p>
<p>which seems to suggest that they may indeed be planning to help HUIJIN maintain their control ratios whilst the banks recapitalize, using the FOREX reserves. I am having trouble picturing how this all could work out for the various players, namely PBOC, SAFE and CIC/HUIJIN as well as the banks&#8217; capital classifictions&#8230;</p>
<p>Any guidance would be much appreciated, although i realise that this article doesn&#8217;t give us enough information about the &#8220;how&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in neutral – what Japan’s rebalancing can teach us by Eunice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eunice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,I&#039;m an editor of CAIJING.COM.CN,I think you maybe know CAIJING Magazine which is  the most famous economic and financial magazine in China,I&#039;m deely impressed by your blogs and opinion here,and I sincerely hope you can launch an English blog on our website.If you are interested in my invitation,please contact me
yuzhu@caijing.com.cn

I&#039;m looking forward to your reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,I&#8217;m an editor of CAIJING.COM.CN,I think you maybe know CAIJING Magazine which is  the most famous economic and financial magazine in China,I&#8217;m deely impressed by your blogs and opinion here,and I sincerely hope you can launch an English blog on our website.If you are interested in my invitation,please contact me<br />
<a href="mailto:yuzhu@caijing.com.cn">yuzhu@caijing.com.cn</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to your reply.</p>
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