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		<description><![CDATA[China’s stock markets keep bouncing around, sometimes in synch with the rest of the world and sometimes out of synch. Cialis viagra on line: yesterday it was out of synch as it lost 2.9%, largely because a number of corporations announced lower-than-expected earnings growth. A useful chart I filched from yesterday’s Wall Street Journal Asia [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class=" Cialis viagra on line: msoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US">China</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US">’s stock markets keep bouncing around, sometimes in  synch with the rest of the world and sometimes out of synch.<span> </span> <strong>Cialis viagra on line</strong>: yesterday it was out of synch as it lost 2.9%,  largely because a number of corporations announced lower-than-expected earnings  growth.<span> </span>A useful chart I filched from  yesterday’s <em>Wall Street Journal Asia</em> shows the slow-down:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">.<span> </span><img src="file:///D:/DOCUME~1/MPETTI~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" border="0" alt="[China corporate profits chart]" width="423" height="258" /></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Today Chinese stock  markets seemed to rejoin the global pack with the SSE Composite rising 2.6% to  close at 1765; <strong>cialis viagra on line</strong>.<span> </span>Last night’s interest  rate cuts by both the Fed and the PBoC spurred some limited optimism and  especially drove up financial stocks &#8211; <strong>cialis viagra on line</strong>.<span> </span>The 3-year deposit rate was cut by 36 bps  (greater than the traditional 27 bps) <em>cialis viagra on line</em>, the 5-year deposit rate was cut by 45 bps  (ditto) and the 1-year to 5-year lending rates were cut by 27  bps.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">I say optimism is limited  because trading today was sluggish and volume very low.<span> </span>We have now closed four days in a row below  the supposedly solid support level of 1800, below which (once again) the market  could not go &#8211; <strong>cialis viagra on line</strong>.<span> </span>In belated recognition  that 1800 was not as rock-solid as they had once thought, the government seems  to be backing away from the introduction of short selling and margin trading – a  policy it announced a few weeks ago to my great surprise.<span> </span>According to an </span><a href="http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2af62ecb329d3d7733492d9253a0a0a0/?vgnextoid=6cb2ef271244d110VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&amp;ss=Companies&amp;s=Business" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000080;">article </span></a><img title="Open in a new window" src="/_s/a/u/extlink_3.gif" alt="Open in a new window" hspace="2" align="bottom" /><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">in  yesterday’s <em>South China Morning  Post</em>:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">The central government is  set to delay the launch of margin lending and short selling amid mounting  worries the potentially risky trading methods will exacerbate market turbulence &#8211; <em>cialis viagra on line</em>. <span> </span>Sources said the State Council had put  on hold plans for the much-anticipated launch next month because of fears the  introduction of the practices could send the market into another tailspin.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">It is another remarkable  about-face for mainland financial regulators, who delayed the introduction of  index futures last year after getting cold feet about the impact on the market &#8211; cialis viagra on line.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">It may be embarrassing  for them to have retreated so dramatically, but it is better to be embarrassed  than wrong &#8211; <em>cialis viagra on line</em>.<span> </span>Hopefully their retreat  won’t have added to market fears.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">What is more likely to  inspire fear is information recorded in an interesting </span><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/35e79c6c-a5eb-11dd-9d26-000077b07658.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000080;">article </span></a><img title="Open in a new window" src="/_s/a/u/extlink_3.gif" alt="Open in a new window" hspace="2" align="bottom" /><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">by Geoff  Dyer in today’s <em>Financial Times</em>.<span> </span>One of the things that had surprised me  recently was the continued strong domestic demand in September.<span> </span>I had expected that as the buying spree  associated with the Olympics wore off <strong>cialis viagra on line</strong>, we would see a sharp drop in the growth  rate of domestic consumption.<span> </span>So far  that hasn’t seemed to happen except in certain big-ticket items, like cars and  apartments.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">In fact in September  retail sales – the best available but not always satisfactory proxy for  household consumption – grew at a record pace in nominal terms, around 23% year  on year, and with the decline in CPI inflation this translates into even higher  relative real terms.<span> </span>But the things that  we can measure didn’t hold up as well as that might imply.<span> </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Car sales, for example,  in September were down around 4% (I am quoting from memory, so the number may be  wrong), which is the first time this has happened in many years, and I am  hearing that October isn’t going to be much better; cialis viagra on line.<span> </span>Fewer people flew on domestic airlines last  month than they did in September of last year.<span> </span>And not only are real estate prices dropping quite quickly, but volume  seems to have collapsed.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Yet the September numbers  show healthy retail sales growth.<span> </span>Perhaps weakening demand will show up in October numbers.<span> </span>According to Dyer’s article:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Signs are growing that  China’s economy could be cooling quicker than expected cialis viagra on line, with a string of big  industrial companies announcing production cuts over the past week.<span> </span>The cuts have come as anecdotal evidence from  other companies suggests a surprising weakening of demand in October amid the  global financial crisis and a local housing market slowdown.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">…”Orders for cars and  home appliances have already begun to shrink,” Xu Lejiang, chairman of </span><a href="http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=cn:600019" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #336699;">Baosteel</span></a><img title="Open in a new window" src="/_s/a/u/extlink_3.gif" alt="Open in a new window" hspace="2" align="bottom" /><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">,  China’s biggest steelmaker, said last week.<span> </span>Zhou Xizeng, analyst with Citic Securities, said steelmakers were trying  to adjust rapidly to uncertainty about demand and an inventory build-up.“The  recent drop in production is a sort of psychological panic,” he  said.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Executives in a number of  other industries also said demand had been unusually weak in recent weeks.<span> </span>But some executives said the slowdown could  also reflect shorter-term factors such as customers reducing their inventories  because of global uncertainties.<span> </span>“We had  been expecting this to pick up a bit after the end of Olympics restrictions on  factories, but things have been very quiet,” said the chief executive of the  China operations of a large paints company.“We are trying to work out how much  is due to weak demand and how much to destocking.”</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">As I have said many times  on this blog cialis viagra on line, rising inventory is going to be a key indicator of trouble ahead. <span> </span>So far we can find trouble in specific  areas, but inventory levels on the whole seem fairly stable; cialis viagra on line.<span> </span>Obviously this will change if we see a real  slowdown in demand, but so far the numbers are not disquieting; cialis viagra on line.<span> </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">On that note a group of  about a dozen crack Peking University finance students, mostly graduate  students, have recently formed the <em>Guanghua Students Monetary Committee</em> to  act as a sort of shadow PBoC, and Logan Wright and I are their advisors.<span> </span>They will meet every Saturday to analyze  economic and financial market conditions and the PBoC balance sheet, and to  discuss PBoC policy, and one of the things they plan to compile and report on is  inventory levels among Chinese corporations.<span> </span>They’ll have their own website up and running soon enough, and I’ll  publish the address when that happens, but I expect to be able to use some of  their findings in this site.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Finally, before closing I  want to flag, for those who are interested, another excellent report from  Standard Chartered’s Stephen Green.<span> </span>This  one, called “China – How much bang for the fiscal buck” was published on October  27 and starts out:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 18pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">How much growth can we  expect the Ministry of Finance (MoF) to provide over the next few years?<span> </span>With China’s economy slowing, many folk are  already breathlessly awaiting a fiscal<span> </span>rescue.<span> </span>In recent notes we have  looked at how other governments stimulate their economies, how China organised  its stimulus package 10 years ago, and how this coming package might be funded &#8211; <em>cialis viagra on line</em>. Today, we think through what such stimulus might mean for GDP growth and the  overall economy.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">Green attempts to  estimate the parameters of fiscal expansion and the amount by which it might  boost next year’s GDP growth, and his calculations will surprise many.<span> </span>He figures that an expanded fiscal package  might only add 0.5-1.0% more growth in 2009 than it did in 2008.<span> </span>Fiscal expenditures <strong>cialis viagra on line</strong>, in other words, are  unlikely to make up for any significant slowdown in the economy due to slowing  exports, weakening domestic demand, or declining investment unless the expansion  is much greater than most think it is likely to be.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">I have no ability to  forecast or estimate growth based on anything more sophisticated than my  previous experiences working in countries that have gone through economic  slowdowns with weak balance sheets, and the two tend to be self-reinforcing, so  the smartest projections tend systematically to under-estimate growth in rising  markets and over-estimate growth in declining.<span> </span>As I have said often enough, I expect to see  analysts continuously revise their estimates downwards for the next few  quarters, as they have already been doing.<span> </span>Already I am hearing a number of pessimists posit 7% as an upper  limit.<span> </span>Yikes!</span></span></p>
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